Sankaku Channel/Report/Request Aliases/Implications

For historical (we don't want to confuse everyone) and translation reasons (copyright = 版権, which is I suspect what it was translated from all along) keeping "franchise" named "copyright" is probably advisable. I don't know what to call the other though, studio perhaps.

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%9B%A3%E7%8D%84%E5%AD%A6%E5%9C%92

I see where the issue is. The manga is called 監獄学園, but the reading of this is styled as プリズンスクール.

kangoku_gakuen_(prison_school) may be the best compromise.

I think whatever it’s called it should be used for dōjin circles’ names as well as developers.

I’ll make the aliases into kangoku_gakuen_(prison_school) when I have time, then.

“oshiete_re_maid → oshiete_re:maid” not going through.

Hence "studio" or something. A type just for circles may be excessive.

Went through for me. Maybe a one off, we can but hope.

“dick_kiss -> penis_kiss” not going through.

“pantyhose_over_panties -> panties_under_pantyhose” too.

“penis_lick -> penis_licking” three.

All went through OK on my try so I'm yet again stumped as to what is going on there.

ALAKTORN said:
1. I might’ve mentioned this before (or not), but yes, I think splitting “producer” and “franchise” tags would be good; I’m just not sure what to call them.

I am the person changing the company names from copyright tag to artist tag. I have some solid reasoning and check various 3rd party sources for accuracy. But I am on the other side of the fence as to which is most appropriate between the two tags.

Neither is a great fit and I fully support a third tag type.

Copyright: the product whether it is manga, OAV, or game cg/eroge.

Artist: the person(s) who created the product in question. I am aware that there is heavy individual influence, and that this person often will be involved in more than one company.

As I see it, companies like Orcsoft and Bishop are for the most part on the side of the creators of the art rather than art in themselves.

So in a two-tag world, they should be under Artist as well as the primary artist who created the art.

If we go to a three-tag world, "Studio" seems like a fine title for the tag of the companies that back the artists, as well possibly "Company"

To be clear it is not my intention to start a tag-war since clearly the tag types can be changed and changed back. SO I think a ruling on where companies fall tag wise, or the creation of their own tags is order. Either way, I look forward to more ordered status of this issue.

2. I’m not really sure which one is most widely recognised. Batoto and exhentai use Prison School, but mangaupdates and MAL use Kangoku Gakuen. Both names give results on Google. The name in the manga is sometimes given as プリゾンスクール or something like that, so maybe that favors Prison School a little. The current most used tag is kangoku_gakuen.

I’m kind of in favor of prison_school just because it’s the English name, and kangoku_gakuen isn’t as obvious as other Jap series’ names are, I think.

I am leaning towards the more common Japanese name with the English translation in the wiki, as the wiki pops up in the side bar when you do solo tag search.

It sounds like a "studio" tag type would be welcomed then.

There is another possible distinction possible in the form of "circle," but this would appear to be the same thing as a studio and so is redundant. There may be some slight ambiguity in the name "studio" but it seems not to be a major issue.

The only practical issues with an additional tag type is having people use it enough to make it stick, and finding another colour for it...

Studios are in. They are pink.

A detailed definition is perhaps best left to the experts here - it can be added to the help wiki once settled.

I think pink isn’t a very good color… but I can’t think of an alternative.

“rance_series → rance_(series)” not going through. I’m still not able to make any aliases…

“doujin_page → doujinshi_page” too.

I think some reddish color would be better, because artist are red too.

Had trouble finding good contrast, feel free to make suggestions. Some starter studios have been added... plenty of tricky cases remain (like "marvel" for instance).

We are pursuing a further fix for the stupid alias issue...

Well, if you look at it, I think pink is one of the only colors left to take.

http://i.imgur.com/palKzet.png

Studio______M
Artist_______e
Copyright___ta

Something between brown and orange would be possible (well, my brown looks like shat), otherwise a little bit less brighter pink would be sufficient.

Making related tag types complementary hues might be an option.

Untaken colours like yellow generally offer horrendous contrast so those are out.

Still we have no immediate plans for another tag type (unless anyone has a request) so the matter can rest once its hue has been tweaked.

Can I mention that this looks stupid to me?
panties_down [?] (1433) panty_pull [?] (22374) ✔ Standardisation

First of all, “panty_pull” is a stupid way of writing it, second of all, they mean different things: “pulling” necessitates something doing the action, “down” means they are down on their own or have previously been pulled down, without the action actually appearing in the image.

There are many such differences that have been aliased poorly in my opinion (I recall something about “shirt_up” and “shirt_pull”… etc.).

That one has been pending for some time, like most of the "standardisation" aliases it is part of our efforts to keep tags consistent across sites. In this case it is weak and we'll reject it.

I think the thinking is that for panties to get down they have to be pulled there...

An indicator which aliases/implications are pending would be great.
(Oh, tag translations too!)

System said:
In this case it is weak and we'll reject it.

Is this gonna happen soon?

Any pending thing in those indexes is already a different colour, and displayed first.

Was it blocking something Alaktorn? It has been removed. In general leaving pending aliases in place is harmless unless they block something, they have absolutely no effect until approved.

Been wanting to make “pantsu_down → panties_down”, which I just did.

“senjou_no_valkyria [?] (0) valkyria_chronicles [?] (1759) ✔ This is correct.”

I need this removed so that both can be aliased into “valkyria_chronicles_(series)”.

Done and done. Approvals will go through when the job system has cooled off.

Should morizono_ricca (the official romanization, see http://circus-co.jp/product/dc3/character/ricca.html) be preferred to morizono_rikka (the standard romanization, and to which the Japanese translation is currently attached), or the other way around? They have almost the same number of posts.

I would go with the official spelling in this case, seeing as it is sensible enough (there are times where the official Engrish makes no sense). The translation can be brought over (if the system doesn’t automatically do it, I forgot).

happiness_charge_precure! & happinesscharge_precure! are the same tag names, please merge them, also they're part of the Precure metaseries

Done. Not clear if an implication was requested as well.

http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/tag_alias?query=ever17&commit=Search+Aliases

ever17 [?] (0) ever_17 [?] (165) ✔ Standardisation

Need this removed. Both should be aliased to ever17:_out_of_infinity. Edit: or well, maybe it would be more precise to alias them all into a new ever_17:_out_of_infinity… Oh, and there’s also this ever_17:_the_out_of_infinity.

I think a lot of the character tags are also wrong (use western name order), but I’ll check that later. Edit: they’re actually correct, I was getting confused because the English translation of the game I’m playing has them in western order.

Removed.

http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/tag_alias?query=tanaka_yubiseiakikana&commit=Search+Aliases

I think I fucked up a little. Second entry here: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ever17_-the_out_of_infinity-#.E3.83.92.E3.83.AD.E3.82.A4.E3.83.B3

It mentions both names, but I don’t understand the difference. Maybe System can figure it out?

Edit: well I’ve finally found the place where she says her full name in Kid’s perspective… which is the “aki”kana one, I’m not sure if in Takeshi’s perspective she’s supposed to be “haru”kana for some reason (this game’s fucked up), I haven’t finished his perspective yet.

And what about tanaka_you? That’s her name abbreviated, so in theory it could mean both of them at once, if we want to keep that tag. I had made an alias for it to the “haru”kana tag before finding out there are two different Tanaka (apparently?).

Tag alias and implication interfaces have been upgraded, along with the artists interface. Hopefully they will prove useful.

http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/tag_alias/index

Is it normal that everything’s multiplied?

Everything should now be OK with that.