Sankaku Channel/Suggestions

In the navbar menu? We've been considering it for the other menus but the posts menu is already somewhat crowded...

True, I guess there isn't much room to work with, horizontally anyway. You could always put it underneath the other options. Though I admit that wouldn't look aesthetically pleasing.

Would be nice to have some sort of confirmation after upvoting a comment in a post. For a second there I thought the button was broken.

Edit: also instead of showing “Error: You cannot vote on your own comments”, making the voting options on own comments hidden would be better I think.

The confirmation loads into the message notification area at the top. Possibly moving the whole notification area into something which follows the viewport and disappears might be an idea.

The score does update in real-time as you vote on items, wherever the vote occurs.

Vote buttons are now hidden for your own items.

We'll be styling the comments and other voted objects based on score (i.e. fading out/hiding bad comments and highlighting good ones) more intensively once they have become a bit more heavily used. And adding a consistent set of designs for voting buttons. For now, bad comments are faded.

A little guide for tagging during the upload process would be really nice. I'm thinking about a list with questions and mostly used tags on the upload page. Something like this:

http://imgur.com/2u47fJJ

This would help new users to upload images with the right tags from the beginning and the tags would be more conform in general.

This is easy to realise, but the questions need to be well thought out.

Great idea. We can easily hide it for high level users or users with lots of ups, too, if desired. Or have a gradation of help depending on this.

The "your most frequently uploaded tags" list from the user profile may also be of use.

We can also do a find similar link, and definitely need autosuggest in there.

Establishing what structure people should be encouraged to tag in may well be the most difficult aspect of all this...

I'm in favor of making the uploading page more user-friendly.

On that note, being able to upload withing having to be directed to the post immediately would be nice.

System said:
We can easily hide it for high level users or users with lots of ups, too, if desired.

Or just a put a link next to the tagging field, which opens a pop-up, where all tags can be chosen.

System said:
The "your most frequently uploaded tags" list from the user profile may also be of use.

We can also do a find similar link, and definitely need autosuggest in there.

These are nice ideas, too.

I went through the most used tags (first 500 most counted tags) and sorted them in categories:
http://imgur.com/1mEJJIq or http://pastebin.com/FFX80MWu

The tags are still in chaotic order. Since the list is very long, it'd be nice if the categories "Body", "Clothing" and "Other" were in tabs.

We can redirect you anywhere you like, Elegance, but to the post you just uploaded so you can check on it seems most logical.

Some kind of formalised checklist for tagging images would be a good addition, as the question fof what tags to apply can be a daunting one:

Who is in it:
Characters
Copyright

What is it of:
(where are they)
(what are they doing)
(what are they wearing)
(what do they look like)
(how many of them are they)
etc.

What is it:
Medium
(style)
(perspective)

Who is it by:
Arist

Making this a hierarchy (click to expand, and links to wiki pages containing tag groups) would keep it from being an overwhelming mass of information.

This would be well augmented by some supporting tag groups being established in the wiki, but this is an involved undertaking.

System said:
We can redirect you anywhere you like, Elegance, but to the post you just uploaded so you can check on it seems most logical.

I admit that it is helpful when having to look over posts, but it can be an inconvenience when making multiple posts with similar tags. I've been using the back button on my browser, but every now and then the fields will go blank.

The best option I can picture is a button for "Upload" and then another one for "Upload and View". I would be curious to see if any of the users with a large number of posts would prefer something like this.

Perhaps this is a problem peculiar to my local machine, but recently I've noticed the appearance of an intrusive vertical-scrolling elevator in the sidebar column. It partially blocks thumbnails and also destroys the white-space æsthetic.

See http://flyvapnet.com/Doom/ScrollingElevatorBlocksImages01A.jpg please. Can this be remedied?

Flyvapnet said:
Perhaps this is a problem peculiar to my local machine, but recently I've noticed the appearance of an intrusive vertical-scrolling elevator in the sidebar column. It partially blocks thumbnails and also destroys the white-space æsthetic.

See http://flyvapnet.com/Doom/ScrollingElevatorBlocksImages01A.jpg please. Can this be remedied?

Looks like you might just have to change the zoom on the browser.

I'm leaning towards forcing uploaders to view the post they just uploaded, if only so it is absolutely clear that it uploaded OK, whether or not it was already present, and whether any mishaps occurred during tagging or otherwise.

Flyvapnet, the scrollbar will generally only display on pages with a wiki entry, but it looks like you'd never fit even the standard size sidebar in that browser viewport. Elegance may be right.

System said:
This would be well augmented by some supporting tag groups being established in the wiki, but this is an involved undertaking.

I cannot find a way to create tag groups in the wiki.

Teach us, Master. Teach us, how to create tag groups.

Just create a tag group:* article and list the tags (link to their wiki articles) in it, then add links back to the tag group from the articles. Voilà, you made a tag group.

The "danbooru way" is to leave the wiki business to users to sort out themselves - see their tag groups for examples:

http://donmai.us/wiki_pages/5883
http://donmai.us/wiki_pages/21798

Since there seems to be an unspoken consensus amongst the various English language image boards that we maintain broadly similar tagging conventions, you may as well adapt the groups there to start with so we don't end up with wildly divergent tags.

We could add a formalised wiki hierarchy system and integrate it into the interface, but given the freedom you have in the wiki already with respect to layout, linkage and content, I'm not sure there is any point.

is there a way to search safe-only content and the opposite ecchi and more explicit only?

gendalf said:
is there a way to search safe-only content and the opposite ecchi and more explicit only?

Just add "rating:safe" to your search.

The quick guide has some more useful info: http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/wiki/show?title=help%3A_quick_guide

Elegance, I've noticed that there is no rating:explicit on that help page however it exists on pictures and I can use it. Are there other ratings except questionable, safe, explicit? :p

It could be more clearly worded if it gives that impression (feel free to enhance it, dear users).

There are no other ratings possible than those 3 and the default is always "questionable." "e" "q" and "s" are also accepted as abbreviations.

Another little suggestion:

I wrote a little userscript for myself to see some information under the thumbnails of the "Similar posts" page, such as size, user, number of tags and id.

http://imgur.com/OMh3I2y

It could help users to find the parent image much faster. It'd be nice if you could implement this to the page, too.

Edit:
Maybe you could add how many percent the images are matching, too, like on iqdb.

If you are good with script you can feel free to contribute changes, we have adopted a fair few.

Isn't that information already present in tooltips at present? We were considering a custom jQuery tooltip but it is hard to get right UI-wise.

IQDB support is in flux as they are getting a bit unreliable and the data is often inconsistent or stale.

We have our own private IQDB instance in place now as it happens (IQDB is suffering capacity issues), slightly superior to the stock IQDB as it fetches live results from the database.

Unfortunately, setting up the image similarity data update process is a bit complex so we are limited to using occasional periodic updates of the master IQDB Sankaku DB.

In any case we do plan to shift over to it when we get a chance to address this.

It also occurred to me that we could fold the find similar results into the post/show page itself...

System said:

If you are good with script you can feel free to contribute changes, we have adopted a fair few.

I'm only ok with javascript and writing little userscripts, but never worked with JSON, AJAX and php. So I'd be a bad scripter.

System said:

Isn't that information already present in tooltips at present? We were considering a custom jQuery tooltip but it is hard to get right UI-wise.

Yes. I got all the informations from the tooltip and the link. But waiting for the tooltip to appear is taking so much time.

System said:

It also occurred to me that we could fold the find similar results into the post/show page itself...

I thought about this, too. It'd be really comfortable, if similar images were shown on top of the posts.

System said:

The "danbooru way" is to leave the wiki business to users to sort out themselves - see their tag groups for examples:

http://donmai.us/wiki_pages/5883
http://donmai.us/wiki_pages/21798

Since there seems to be an unspoken consensus amongst the various English language image boards that we maintain broadly similar tagging conventions, you may as well adapt the groups there to start with so we don't end up with wildly divergent tags.

I just checked out the danbooru wiki a little closer. There is a good tagging checklist, too. http://www.donmai.us/wiki_pages/21977

Why can't we just make a cronjob, which copies the tag-group site and all its children from danbooru to the sankaku wiki? It's the laziest and maybe easiest way.

I don't think there is enough wiki material to justify automating the process ourselves (if you consider the trouble of developing and overseeing a script versus manually copying and stubbing wiki articles), although it is up to you how you import anything and they do have wiki API access.

A more well developed wiki is the key to addressing most tagging problems though, so it certainly deserves support.

Can the “Tags” page’s search box be copy-pasted over to the “Tag Translations” page? The latter’s search box seems outdated; I’d also like a way to search for specific users (or even just a “hide System results” checkbox).

Edit: replying to jkloea below: I’m not talking about the “Posts” page, but the “Tag Translations” one.

You can already search for users by typing "user:<username>". If you don't want to see System's posts, type "-user:system".

Edit:
Replying to the edit above: Sorry for misunderstanding.

How were you interested in using the tag translations page?

We could add all that although I'm not sure how useful it would be.

The tag translations page is intended exclusively for managing addition and revision of translations... hence it is a bit different in layout.

There is also a tag history page for each tag although this has yet to be updated to track tag type changes fully.

Well, an "exclude system users" option was added to get rid of any translations which arise from roving automatic users.

I wanted to check whether the translation I wanted to add was already there, but that page’s search is quite poor (wouldn’t it be simple to copy-paste from the Tag page?).

Also now that I think about it, have I been translating spaces wrongly? I’ve been using underscores as normal, but for Japanese I think we want full-width spaces? I’d have to re-add a few translations then…

It has no search at all, since the volume of user translations is only just now picking up it is not fully developed. Search fields may be trivial, we'll check it out.

Underscores need not be used in Japanese tag versions, use full-width instead (no spaces for Japanese names, use a ・ separator in katakana names instead if appropriate, use only full-width alphanumerics and you can use mixed case and funny unicode characters). If you are using parentheses, use the full width versions without a space before as they kind of have spacing built into them.

There should be wiki page or some kind of public explanation of the conventions we are using for this, I'm not sure where it got to though.