Sankaku Channel/How to tag futanari posts? (Plus possibly other non-gendered tags?)

Tucky said:
How would we tag futa lolis under these guidelines since male/female specific tags would not apply? Only two options come to mind at the moment, have them be an exception to the male/female tags don't apply part or come up with a new tag for them. With how uncommon they are a new tag seem like it could make finding them pretty difficult for those who don't know the tag.

There are at least two potential solutions here:
1) Tag futa lolis as both futanari and loli while gendering them as futanari, preserving the element of discovery from the loli tag, OR
2) Segregate futa_loli content from the loli tag
I believe that the first solution is better for Sankaku because it keeps futa loli content easy to find, while anyone who wants to see loli content without stumbling upon futanari can add -futanari to their search.

ALAKTORN said:
^I also just thought about futanari goo girls, which complicates it further…

I get the feeling that just classifying them as either male or female would be a lot easier instead of creating extra tags…

A solution that's both easy and effective would be to alias goo_girl out to a gender-neutral equivalent, though I'm not sure what that would be. If, for instance, a "slime person" were classified under the *morph nomenclature (as in lagomorph), what would that name be? =o

And what about dark-skinned_female? x_x

I’m starting to think there are too many gendered tags to suddenly start standardizing futa differently.

ALAKTORN said:
I’m starting to think there are too many gendered tags to suddenly start standardizing futa differently.

That's similar to what I've been saying from tha start: Instead of futanari/intersex/newhalf standing as their own genders(on top of still fundamentally resembling male or female - especially when clothed)we introduce tha tags male futa/female futa & so forth!

ALAKTORN said:
And what about dark-skinned_female? x_x

I’m starting to think there are too many gendered tags to suddenly start standardizing futa differently.

It's true that additional tags mean extra work, and slightly more complication. It's also true that a sudden whip-crack change in tags would disrupt the site's tagging methods. Both of those concerns lead back to this:

ALAKTORN said:
With time everything can be fixed. The bigger problem is figuring out what needs to be done to have the best outcome.

This change wouldn't happen instantly, just like how Rome wasn't built in a day. We don't have to worry about the amount of work involved to kick around the idea---that's a cost-benefit discussion.

Mayasein said:
This change wouldn't happen instantly, just like how Rome wasn't built in a day. We don't have to worry about the amount of work involved to kick around the idea---that's a cost-benefit discussion.

I'm quite sure tha Roman Empire would represent the entirety of the internet if applied here...or close, teehee! Seriously my main concern is the inconvenience to tha commoner(of which I'm sure to resemble under this new wave)that's likely to view this new distinction as more a hindrance/impediment than a convenience! To that end it would also be easier just to do tha female futa/male futa and so forth thing because of how self-explanatory it is vs what tha difference(s) is/are between a newhalf and intersex and futanari! Admittedly I am beating a dead horse bringing that up again so again feel free to ignore this malarkey if'n you all aren't having any more of that nonsense!

Mayasein said:
Both of those concerns lead back to this:
—quote here—
This change wouldn't happen instantly, just like how Rome wasn't built in a day. We don't have to worry about the amount of work involved to kick around the idea---that's a cost-benefit discussion.

When I said that I meant that when the standard has been put down, the work to conform to the standard isn’t a problem. But right now I’m seeing quite a difficulty in creating said standard that I wasn’t seeing before. It’s the difference between the work necessary to create a new standard and the work necessary to conform to said standard. I don’t worry about the latter as that’s just an issue of time but I wonder about the cost-benefit of the former, now.

ALAKTORN said:
When I said that I meant that when the standard has been put down, the work to conform to the standard isn’t a problem. But right now I’m seeing quite a difficulty in creating said standard that I wasn’t seeing before.

Fortunately we have the ability to deal with affected tags as we discover them over time. Also, making things easier still, the affected tags follow a pattern to which we can apply a single rule:

Problem: Tag is gender-biased, does not account for futanari content
Solution: Retag content with both 1) the gender-neutral equivalent and 2) its gendered version.
Example: A futanari tagged as dark_skinned_female expands to dark_skin + futanari + dark_skinned_futanari.

EDIT: We can keep track of affected tags by creating a list page and linking it to the OP or another thread.
(On this topic, I have an idea for a site feature made to yoke the mass user base into manual projects like this, an idea that active site developers may be interested in)

Apologies for returning late again, but...

ALAKTORN said:
And, like, isn’t that all that matters…?

While this is true, if we're classifying it solely by character-depiction, then such tags should have the sub-tag attachment of the artist (assuming such works aren't parody) or the series if it is parody.

ALAKTORN said:
I don’t see why this would be. I consider Post #4947576 to be female while Post #4960676 is a futanari (hermaphrodite, like you say).

Speaking strictly, we define gender in it's strictest sense by genome association, and creatures that do not require such evolutionary subculture are classified within asexual tropes to prevent cross-referencing clutter in terminology as well as the science as a whole for xenobiology. Slimes, regardless of the form they take, must either self-depict or be depicted as possessing a gender for the gender to apply canonically, nevermind social application--this goes back to character-depiction, as typically no two 'slime girls' are the same.

ALAKTORN said:
And what about dark-skinned_female? x_x

I feel like there are also too many "unique" tags for female identification as well. I am unsure of how long cleaning up tags like that would take, however.

Vitali said:
Speaking strictly, we define gender in it's strictest sense by genome association, and creatures that do not require such evolutionary subculture are classified within asexual tropes to prevent cross-referencing clutter in terminology as well as the science as a whole for xenobiology. Slimes, regardless of the form they take, must either self-depict or be depicted as possessing a gender for the gender to apply canonically, nevermind social application--this goes back to character-depiction, as typically no two 'slime girls' are the same.

So basically this shows that a tag like goo_girl should be retagged as a gender neutral equivalent (I've agreed with this previously too.)

Vitali said:
I feel like there are also too many "unique" tags for female identification as well. I am unsure of how long cleaning up tags like that would take, however.

The good news behind this (as I've commented before) is that we have no time constraints, and with the help of some simple organization we get to go at our own pace without worry.

Mayasein said:
So basically this shows that a tag like goo_girl should be retagged as a gender neutral equivalent (I've agreed with this previously too.)

But if goo_girl and goo_boy are aliased into a gender neutral tag, we would lose searchability. We could rename them to something like feminine/masculine_goo_person like you said for male_futanari, I guess. That’d make it technically correctly named while also not losing searchability.

I could update the OP with a list of incorrect tags and their correct counterpart as they’re figured out, but I’m not going to do all the work of finding and coming up with solutions to all the affected tags.

ALAKTORN said:
But if goo_girl and goo_boy are aliased into a gender neutral tag, we would lose searchability. We could rename them to something like feminine/masculine_goo_person like you said for male_futanari, I guess. That’d make it technically correctly named while also not losing searchability.

I think it was established in a previous post that aliasing does not compromise searchability. Am I wrong about this?
EDIT: So a more complete solution to the goo_girl issue would be to tag all slime anthromorphs as gender neutral (by using implications) and then, additionally, to gender each morph as appropriate.

ALAKTORN said:
I could update the OP with a list of incorrect tags and their correct counterpart as they’re figured out, but I’m not going to do all the work of finding and coming up with solutions to all the affected tags.

Any level of contribution is awesome here in this free content world. =) Plus, it's nice to have the OP to use for record keeping.

My suggestion for the Goo issue is 'Goo_Being' or 'Goo_Folk' as gender-neutrals, as we do not need to strictly adhere to the given trend to be accurate.

Just wanted to add my 2 cents on the futa question specifically - since there is no real-life precedent to base it on (while there are occasionally humans born hermaphroditic, AFAIK there are no examples where both sets of genitalia have been fully developed and functional), we can really only rely on the most common use.

In this case, it's female, as the overwhelming majority of futanari content is depicted as female in every other aspect, to the point where to the average person it's synonymous with terms like "dickgirl." Now, this doesn't mean that they have to be specifically tagged as female, but it does mean that "female_futanari" would be somewhat redundant in the context of typical use.

The way I see it, the most intuitive option would be to continue to simply use "futanari" - without bothering with the "female" tag - on the typical futa post (i.e. breasts, feminine face and build), and something like "male_herm" for the occasional masculine exception (rather than "male_futanari" - again, intuitiveness. It may not actually be contradictory, but it'd certainly seem that way to many)