Sankaku Channel/Report/Request Aliases/Implications

Starting this because I keep finding questionable aliases.

1. http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/tag_alias?query=kyokugen_dasshutsu&commit=Search+Aliases

kyokugen_dasshutsu:_ku_jikan_ku_nin_kyuu_no_tobira [?] (0) kyokugen_dasshutsu:_9_jikan_9_nin_9_no_tobira [?] (15)

It was decided that the tag to be used is the English title: 999:_nine_hours_nine_persons_nine_doors, so that alias needs removal and both should be aliased to the aforementioned tag.

2. virtue's_last_reward [?] (0) kyokugen_dasshutsu_adv:_zennin_shibou_desu [?] (1)

Staying consistent with the above, this alias should be deleted and both should be aliased to the English title: zero_escape:_virtue's_last_reward.

3. Also, we need to decide on a correct tag for Ore no Nounai etc., there are currently tons of different tags being used and as far as I remember they’re all wrong. I suggest ore_no_nounai_sentakushi_ga_gakuen_rabu-kome_wo_zenryoku_de_jama_shiteiru. The only issue is how to write the “love comedy” part, I kept it in Japanese but it could also be love_comedy or whatever.

1. Fixed I presume.

2. Removed.

3. This has been consolidated onto the main tag... whatever the "love comedy" part should be, the most common version will do for now.

System said:
3. This has been consolidated onto the main tag... whatever the "love comedy" part should be, the most common version will do for now.

I think that tag is wrong. It ends with “shiteru”, but it should be “shiteiru”. Otherwise looks good.

I made a few aliases for the fixed zero_escape situation.

Edit: Actually now that I think about it, I wonder if the 999:_nine_hours_nine_persons_nine_doors tag should be changed to zero_escape:_nine_hours_nine_persons_nine_doors, which is the name used when the game was reprinted (so the latest), and would probably make sense in the trilogy with both of the current games out starting with “zero_escape:”, which I presume will also be the start of the 3rd game’s title. Both titles in Japanese also start with 極限脱出, and we have a zero_escape tag to mean the series as a whole. Everybody knows the first game as “999”, though.

You are right. Damn these light novels and their overly long titles.

Could you consolidate them (including empty ones which may fill up again) onto this:
http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/tag/edit?name=ore_no_nounai_sentakushi_ga_gakuen_love-comedy_wo_zenryuko_de_jama_shiteiru

For 999 it sounds like an an overall copyright tag, implications and whatever titles for specific works are all required.

That Nounai tag is still wrong. “zenryuko” instead of “zenryoku”.

Not sure you understood what I meant with the 999 situation. I wasn’t talking about the 999 tag (which I think is the most used for the series, but is wrong in any way you’d want to use it); I was talking about the 999:_nine_hours_etc. tag, that maybe should be changed to zero_escape:_nine_etc. because that’s how the game was reprinted as, and the trilogy as a whole is “Zero Escape”.

I hope this is correct:

http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/tag/edit?name=ore_no_nounai_sentakushi_ga_gakuen_love-comedy_wo_zenryoko_de_jama_shiteiru

The 999 group should have a franchise tag and work tags, is what I meant... that should be correct?

http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/tag/index?commit=Search&name=wallpaper

Not sure about the future of this complex of tags. Either they can all imply "wallpaper" and be kept or perhaps all be aliased into "wallpaper" and we can let the resolution tag searching take over.

System said:
I hope this is correct:

http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/tag/edit?name=ore_no_nounai_sentakushi_ga_gakuen_love-comedy_wo_zenryoko_de_jama_shiteiru

The 999 group should have a franchise tag and work tags, is what I meant... that should be correct?

“zenryoko” is still wrong. I’m not sure if you’re trying to find a correct tag between the existing ones, but like I said before, all existing ones appear to be wrong.

For 999… I was just saying the “999:_nine_hours_nine_persons_nine_doors” tag could maybe be changed to “zero_escape:_nine_hours_nine_persons_nine_doors”, which is the name it was later reprinted as, and is consistent with the rest of the trilogy.

I miscorrected that one it seems.

http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/index?tags=ore_no_nounai_sentakushi_ga_gakuen_love-comedy_wo_zenryoku_de_jama_shiteiru

Hopefully that covers it.

For 999 I'll have to defer to your judgement. It seems the "999" part has reasonable currency and the others are rather long though.

That one looks good. I made an alias from the currently used Nounai tag into the one you linked.

Then “999:_nine_hours_nine_persons_nine_doors” will stay as is (at least for now, we’ll see), so here’s the next problem:

The “999” tag. Currently, all 42 images (with 1 exception) use this tag to mean “999:_nine_hours_nine_persons_nine_doors”, so I think it’s safe to alias the 999 tag into the proper name, then remove the alias to have a clean 999 tag to use. I’ll try to keep the 999 tag correct after this is done (like I’m doing for the various “animated” tags).

The exception: http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/584870 (used here as a number).

Edit: By the way, just noticed this alias hasn’t been approved yet (it should be, based on official naming): http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/tag_alias?query=999%3A_9_hours_9_persons_9_doors&commit=Search+Aliases

If you add the other nounai ones in case they get added to later it should be watertight.

That 999 alias was approved and the 999 mass-edited into the canonical tag.

The new "file_type:*" tag should help with keeping animated tags clean.

Made some Nounai aliases.

Why was “gif” aliased to “animated_gif”? Last time we spoke about it, you said it shouldn’t be because not all gif files are animated. Example: http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/3443657

Edit: well I guess the new file type search would make a “gif” tag kind of pointless.

I was under the impression the only time anyone tagged them "gif" was when they are animated, as with pngs only being tagged when they are transparent. Changing it to an implication is possible, as is relying on the file_type.

Made an alias for this and found out there already was one with a different name.

celestia_ludenberg
celestia_ludenberck
celestia_rudenberk

All 3 existing tags for 1 character. Ludenberg is the translation used by the Zetsubō fan translation team in the first game. Official English name yet to be revealed. Which are we supposed to use?

Was attending to the dangan_ronpa tags just today. Should be celestia_ludenberck as I understand it. Danganronpa will no longer be taking a space for the sake of consistency either.

http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/tag_alias?query=breasts_out&commit=Search+Aliases

Maybe I’m crazy but I’m sure this alias was working up until recently, but doesn’t anymore. What’s up with that?

Also is there any way to differentiate approved aliases from pending ones? Is it the ✔?

They were added whilst the job system was restarted by the looks of it. Reapproving the alias or leaving them until the post is updated will fix them so there is no great issue.

Mea culpa. I added the alias '女神' -> 'goddess' without thinking to simply edit the post. That said the Japanese tag may need to be deleted so it can be used as a translation for 'goddess'.

Fixed.

The alias system will now reject any proposed pairing involving non-existent tags rather than creating the alias anyway or creating the tags itself on approval.

Also aliases shouldn't really be added to take care of a few posts only, or as a way of copying a few tags about. Manual edits are preferable if there is not going to be a regular issue.

Same artist:
haruichi_(komikal)
haruichi

Second one is the most used, but I’m not sure which tag is better. First one is name_(oldname) apparently, so it may be better. Which way should the alias go?

"haruichi" is definitely a bit too common for artist usage.
"Most used" may not be a relevant guide because tag names get enhanced midway through their history so it is actually the smaller "new" one which is best.

haruichi_(komikal) would be best. With a tag like "haruichi" there may be other usage which may be mixed into tag (mistaken character names, etc.).

I made the “haruichi → haruichi_(komikal)” alias. I’m not sure what to do about people using “haruichi” for other artists/characters… for now I went through the tag and corrected instances where it should’ve been “haruichi_(haru123)”, the rest look like they’re all from “haruichi_(komikal)”.

For reference:
haruichi_(komikal): http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=97121
haruichi_(haru123) has deleted his Pixiv profile.

Should kagami_(artist) be aliased into “kagami_(lilith-soft)” or something?

Yes.

Kagami was another problem tag due to interference from hiiragi_kagami, and illustrates the problem of giving artist tags common names.

If you add the relevant aliases or need some removed we can clear them up.

http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/tag_alias?query=kagami_(artist)

kagami [?] (0) kagami_(artist)
+kagami_(artist) [?] (0) kagami_(artist)
skagami_(artist) [?] (0) kagami_(artist)

All 3 should be deleted I guess, but I don’t think there’d be a point in re-creating the latter 2 into a kagami_(lilith-soft) alias? The first one is also a problem because it’s such a common name that it shouldn’t even be allowed to be a tag, really. I wonder if it’s possible to blacklist tags as unusable? I know there is an “ambiguous” option for tags, but I never looked into that.

Done.

The other two were created for testing and can go.

The ambiguous tag option will probably be retired as it has some big flaws.

Tags can be "blacklisted" by aliasing them into a meta tag with a warning wiki entry, although obviously that may have problems.

Same artist:

fei_(maidoll)
maidoll

I say fei_(maidoll) would be the best.

You can propose (or as a contributor, add yourself) the alias for approval if there is nothing blocking it.

I think a consolidated thread for dealing solely with artist name issues might be useful, as this one is more for dealing with irregularities or complex cases.

Didn't know I could alias them, thanks.

http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/tag_alias?query=b_river
b_river [?] (5) river_b [?] (0) Tag standardisation (autogenerated - auto-scored)

I need this removed to make:
b_river → b-river
biriba → b-river

They’re all the same artist, although I’m not really sure which the best tag for it is, b-river is just the most used.

Removed. Most used or most recently used are usually the best starting points.