Sankaku Channel/Tag Issues

General issues relating to tags can be broached here - although you may wish to first read up on or propose an alias or implication instead.

There are loads of clothing/clothes tags, we need to standardize them. I just made a see-through_clothes → see-through_clothing alias because clothing was the most used in that particular case, but they’re all over the place.

Did you have a list in mind?

Aside from aliasable duplicate tags the main organisational issue I am aware of is the use of the "outfit" tags.

System said:
Did you have a list in mind?

I’ll get back to you on that later if I remember…

I wanted to ask a question about the _(cosplay) tags. Post #3252297 has every character tag + their respective _(cosplay) counterpart, is that supposed to be correct…? (The actual character cosplaying all others is “monokuma”.)

I feel like the character tags shouldn’t be there, but just the _(cosplay) ones.

Depends on whether *_(cosplay) is taken to imply the actual character in all cases as well. I'm not sure whether any explicit policy on this has ever been articulated anywhere.

An auto mass implication of all current *_(cosplay) tags to extant character tags would be possible to arrange, but whether it would be desirable is another matter.

Problem tag: http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/index?tags=futaba_aoi

Needs manual disentanglement it seems.

http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/index?tags=pee_squat

Is it only me or does it only show 6 posts out of the 200+ it has?

Something very strange happened with that tag. Fixed and reorganised the tag cluster.

The “danganronpa” tag is a mess. http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/?tags=danganronpa

It’s currently being used more as a danganronpa_(series) kind of tag than a Danganronpa (the first game) tag. I think we need two separate tags for them. Options:

First game:

danganronpa:_kibou_no_gakuen_to_zetsubou_no_koukousei (JP title)
danganronpa:_trigger_happy_havoc (EN title)

Overall series tag:

danganronpa_(series)
or just
danganronpa

Standardised pattern of implications like this is probably best:

name_of_first_in_franchise_identical_to_series_name > name_of_franchise_(series)

name_of_sequel > name_of_franchise_(series)

It is in place for a number of games already.

The issue is that the first game will usually contain tag usage referring both to the first game and the franchise as a whole, because the first game usually lacks a "1" or similar.

An option might be to try wherever possible to use a new tag for the first title (like the full "danganronpa:_trigger_happy_havoc") and fold the original tag into the franchise tag. So people would have to specifically tag for the first game, but at least would not be mixing in subsequent titles.

I just remembered the existence of this tag (for which I had made an alias into “danganronpa” which should probably be rejected): http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/?tags=danganronpa_1

So basically “danganronpa” should be aliased to “danganronpa_(series)” and “danganronpa_1” to “danganronpa:_trigger_happy_havoc”, have I got that right?

“danganronpa” already has a few tags aliased into it though so I wouldn’t be able to add one from it to the _(series) one.

Yes.

Tell me which aliases need to be removed and I'll remove them and you can add whatever aliases and implications you see fit.

Almost exactly the same issue seems to affect Disgaea, Da Capo and Ar Tonelico too I think.

The first 3 need removal: http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/tag_alias?query=danganronpa&commit=Search+Aliases

danganronpa_1 [?] (788) ✔ danganronpa [?] (5038) ✔
dangan_ronpa [?] (0) danganronpa [?] (5038) ✔
dangan-ronpa [?] (0) danganronpa [?] (5038) ✔

Writing them down so they can be aliased to danganronpa_(series) later.

Done. You should be able to create the desired aliases directly

Made the aliases.

Approved. May take a while to process.

A few questions:

1. Do we have a “arms tied behind back” kind of tag? What about “breasts bound/tied”? I couldn’t find any (“restrained” is a bit lackluster), thought this post needed them: http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/1898383

2. What about a “spread areolae/nipples” kind of tag? Example: Post #3342214, I’ve seen this action in a bunch of images, but don’t know what to tag it.

Separate issue: this typo’d tag needs cleaning: http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/?tags=midrif, I’ll get to it later if no one else does before.

1. No.

arms_behind_back (+ restrained) = vague
box_tie = doesn't cover many cases

Seems to be a case for one, with box tie implicating it and it implicating the others.

There is a fairly populous breast_bondage tag already.

2. There are small spread_nipple and spread_nipples tag. This is where tag groups come in as a centralised point of reference, although brainstorming with the autosuggest can help.

Common typos/misspelling are OK for aliases, it is likely they will crop up again so we may as well fix them in perpetuity.

1. Should I create an “arms_tied_behind_back” tag, then? Never heard the term box tie before, what does it not cover?

Made an alias for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_tie
Arms tied in a square position behind back. Now we even have a translation, how wonderful.

It should be an implication unless I missed your meaning.

System said:
It should be an implication unless I missed your meaning.

Now I’m confused, what should be an implication?

box_tie > arms_tied_behind_back > arms_behind_back

There are lots of subtle usage differences in these tags so I wouldn't go churning out implications for them until their definitions are laid out properly.

Yeah that’s fine, I was saying I’d create the arms_tied_behind_back tag because there currently is none, and implications of empty tags can’t be made. I’ll go ahead and create it and then make the implications.

Edit: the alias I meant before was for the midriff misspelling.

Issue: the recent “cum” -> “semen” standardization forgot the fact that a few tags used “cum” as synonymous of “ejaculation”. “cum_in_nose” and “cum_under_clothes” being two of them.

Yesterday the entire "semen"/"cum" tag complex was reworked and should be consistent now.

"cum_in_nose" appeared to be "semen_in_nose" - "cum" as a verb would be covered by "ejaculation"... a few tags went into "ejaculating" and so forth but most appeared OK. semen_through_clothes seems the only borderline case?

"cow_girl" was reworked as well but may need manual attention to weed out girls dressed in western cowboy style (check for cowboy_hat, western) and mistaken usage of "cowgirl" instead of "cowgirl_position".

"cowboy" is a more problematic tag - any suggestions?

System said:
"cum_in_nose" appeared to be "semen_in_nose" - "cum" as a verb would be covered by "ejaculation"... a few tags went into "ejaculating" and so forth but most appeared OK. semen_through_clothes seems the only borderline case?

http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/?tags=semen_under_clothes

I was under the impression this tag should’ve been “ejaculation_under_clothes”, because only 2 posts are of semen without ejaculation. But we could keep both tags, creating a new “ejaculation_under_clothes” which would be an implication of “semen_under_clothes”. Tell me if I should go tag those 24 posts as such.

http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/?tags=semen_in_nose

This tag is a bit weird. I’ve been organizing the “cum_in_nose” tag to mean “ejaculation_inside_nose”, as there is another tag for images where semen is dripping from the nose (now called “semen_from_nose”); but my wording of “cum_in_nose” was admittedly quite poor, we might want to alias it into a “ejaculation_inside_nose” tag? Feel free to suggest better naming if you think mine are bad.

Edit: forgot to check the tag you mentioned; “semen_through_clothes” and “semen_under_clothes” seem to be pretty much the same thing…

Edit2: found a “cum” tag that seems to have been missed: http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/?tags=cum_in_panties.

Nakadashi and Cum_In_pussy tags seem to cover the same material

Further checking reveals they are identical so they have been merged, thanks. "Impregnation" is definitely supposed to be distinct however, although it may need a wiki definition to explain the difference clearly.

Alaktorn, there is semen_through_clothes (formerly "cum"), I think that should have been the "ejaculating" tag. There seems to be be no "semen_stain" type tag, so your suggestion is probably best. One for the act in progress, the other for the aftermath.

You could have a *ing_into_mouth and a (substance)_in_mouth pattern (there is one for "urine"), and the same for nose and whatever else. A clearly named tag for semen being forced out of someone's nose by a forceful ejaculation would be an additional refinement for this as well. Really you need to lay this kind of stuff down in wiki articles as it will never stick with tag wording alone.

"cum," aside from being a bit crude, is obviously poor wording for these tags because it is so ambiguous.

System said:
"cowboy" is a more problematic tag - any suggestions?

What’s the problem? The fact that people are wrongly using “cowboy” and “cow_boy” interchangeably? Other than writing in the wiki what the difference is, I’m not sure what could be done.

Edit: noticed a “boy_cow” tag, not sure if that should be used over “cow_boy” (don’t think so).

I created a “ejaculating_under_clothes” tag; in case we want to change naming it can always be aliased at a later date.

Edit2: well I’m terrible at writing on the wiki but I wrote this up for the “cow_boy” wiki, not even sure if we agree on the meaning though: “Not to be confused with cowboy, “cow_boy” refers to males dressed up as or having the appearance of a cow.”.

Not sure relying on an underscore or space to distinguish two ambiguous tags is a good idea. But unlike cowgirl, "cowboy" has common currency. And getting "cowboy" consistently into the "western" tag is likely to be impractical.

However it seems the tag is in good condition with cowboy used properly after all, so there is no problem! cow_boy & cow_girl it is.

women_livestock now implicates human_livestock, although we seem not to have a "male_livestock" or "futanari_livestock" to complement it yet.

The "pussy" tag complex is undergoing some standardisation, but it is not clear what should become of "pussy_juice" and the like. "vaginal_lubrication" may not be 1:1.

"vaginal_lubrication"

This sounds terrible, but I have no better suggestion.

I made a “cowgirl_position → girl_on_top” implication, but I just noticed the straddling tag… is there any difference? If not, which one is the correct one?